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The people of Ammon (aka the Anti-Nephi-Lehites) find refuge in the land of Jershon, Alma wishes he were an angel, and Korihor wishes he had never listened to the angel.
Mosiah 4:3, 11
D&C 123:13
JST Mark 9:44
2 Corinthians 11:14
Happy 80th! I hope their is an additional 80 more. There were a lot of elements in this podcast that really resonated with me.
The concept of all ancient cultures containing truth, and portions of it. THe more I study ancient cultures, the more I find the “imagery” that records these truths. It’s recorded in their monuments, their “temples”, and their hieroglyphic language. The imagery tells the story, and God has his handprint on all of it.
Btw, i visited the Mayan temples last year in Mexico, and I’m telling the tour guide exactly what happened before the culture “fell”….I’m like….let me guess? The priests did “this”….its that same pattern contained in scripture. I see it as just an ancient pattern of “behaviors” before the fall….I think that’s why these cultures continue to keep records….how do we “cross over” to a millennial state, BEFORE we destroy ourselves, once again, what’s left is just a memorial for us….(and how do the guys who corrupted the pattern so that they can access the cash flow prevent themselves from going down in flames with it)….it would require teams of very smart historians and scholars, I perceive, right MD?
I totally believe the “law of consecration” is embedded in the imagery of the New Testament crossover, from those under the law, to the “highly favored” of the Lord state. It’s embedded in the imagery of, “all they had” they laid at the apostles feet to join their club, the widow casts “all she has” into the treasury, the “entire” bottle of spikenard worth $300 vs. judas’s $30 (10percent), the rich man who is called to sell “all he has”….the woman with the issue of blood who spent “all she had”…..its embedded in the imagery. Those are the saints who gain that “eternal inheritance”. They come to “know” him at THIS cross over point.
As for the Antichrist, I have had to ponder that same event about Korihor, although it took me a lot longer to “catch” that moment than I think it took you guys. The antichrist changes the “times and seasons.” So, my understanding is that the very reason we can’t trust in the arm of the flesh, we must know where “we stand” and if “we stand on holy ground” because that antichrist will change the “times and seasons’….its funny because I was like….korihor is saying some of the same things Jesus says to the Pharisees and scribes…um I’m confused….until i discovered the “language” of that-there anti-Christ. It all makes sense.
I’m with you on the opposites—chaos stuff too. For imagery, The Scale of Maat in Egyptian imagery for me ….is the same symbol I also found in Hebrew writings, they also used a scale, but they put different objects on the end…and then we have of course, Lady liberty and the balance of justice and mercy. I wrote an article about this for Joseph (Mary’s husband because he declares “mercy” on mary instead of “putting her away privily”). and of course we have the balance of grace and mercy:
MD, What do you think about Zacharias “making signs” as a spiritual application and his inability to “hear and speak” and so the “chief judge” has to communicate with him writing out a question, and “making signs”?? I’m just curious if that application might “also” be applied to our conversation where I said that I have found it beneficial to use “symbols” of the ordinances to “communicate” with others of our faith. Now you’ve got me thinking.
As for the Wandering Beggar Parallel: There is an interesting quote by Brigham Young, as Thomas Marsh is returning back to the fold in reference to “marsh’s “ apparent life as a wondering beggar, where he struggled for food and good health…Brigham goes on to say after Marsh speaks to the congregation…..
“You are aware that the children of the Mother Church have dissented from the idea of there being such a place as Purgatory; but brother Marsh says that there is such a place, and that he has been in it during the past eighteen years and upwards. I asked him whether he did not have to pray himself out. He answered, “Yes.” I then remarked—If you prayed yourself out, I suppose you saved the priests’ fees. “Yes,” he said; “It did not cost me a cent of money.” However, it cost him a great deal of labor, trouble, and pain.”
Hi Searcher and MD!
I really appreciated this podcast with its focus on joy. It brought to mind one of my favorite scriptures that speaks so beautifully to the ‘joyous’ experience: Alma 29:14-16. Rather than paste these verses in at this point, I want to first share a James Wright poem that reflects Alma’s stunning observation on his own unique experience of joy.
And before I for get to ask: Searcher, could you name again the book on faith you recommended several podcasts ago? Thanks!
A Blessing
Just off the highway to Rochester, Minnesota,
Twilight bounds softly forth on the grass.
And the eyes of those two Indian ponies
Darken with kindness.
They have come gladly out of the willows
To welcome my friend and me.
We step over the barbed wire into the pasture
Where they have been grazing all day, alone,
They ripple tensely, they can hardly contain their happiness
That we have come.
They bow shyly as wet swans. They love each other.
There is no loneliness like theirs.
At home once more,
They begin munching the young tufts of spring in the darkness.
I would like to hold the slenderer one in my arms,
For she has walked over to me
And nuzzled my left hand.
She is black and white,
Her mane falls wild on her forehead,
And the light breeze moves me to caress her long ear
That is delicate as the skin over a girl’s wrist.
Suddenly I realize
That if I stepped out of my body I would break
Into blossom.
Alma 29:14-16
14 But I do not joy in my own success alone, but my joy is more full because of the success of my brethren, who have been up to the land of Nephi.
15 Behold, they have labored exceedingly, and have brought forth much fruit; and how great shall be their reward!
16 Now, when I think of the success of these my brethren my soul is carried away, even to the separation of it from the body, as it were, so great is my joy.