The Iron Rod Podcast
The Iron Rod Podcast
Iron Rod 005 - Lectures on Faith

Lectures on Faith were added to the scriptures in 1835 by a general assembly of the church. They were removed in 1921 by a committee of six men. In this episode we review the history of how and why the Lectures were created, rebut some of the reasons given for their removal, and discuss a few of the key doctrines taught in the Lectures.

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3 comments on “Iron Rod 005 – Lectures on Faith

  1. Debbie Streeter Jan 12, 2019

    Hello, In John 1:18 it states that no one has ever seen God except for the Son. All other peoples and prophets ( in Biblical times), who claim to have see God, it was in the form of a vision, or was an actual angels, or an object (burning bush) or just hearing….except for Adam. Do I have that correct?….so how does some Random Guy at the Morley Farm see God and the Son, and did God declare his Son to the Random Guy? And with all the amazing Prophets through out the ages (who have not seen the father) how is it that a 14 year old child sees the Father and the Son? ( I tend to believe in the very first hand written account of Joseph Smith that was locked away in a vault). Now I am not one to tell God how to do his business but scripture is for us to look back and see that there is a presidence and to be a witness to what is happening in our times.

    This LDS religion takes great faith and prayer and tears to stay in it. I hang by a thread. I Appreciate the three of you coming together and hashing through some tough topics and look forward, truely, to your future podcasts.

    • Watcher Jan 12, 2019

      Debbie, it is true that John 1:18 says that no man has seen God, however that is a corrupted passage.

      The corrected one as found in the JST version reads as follows:

      “And no man hath seen God at any time, except he hath borne record of the Son; for except it is through him no man can be saved. “

      1 John 4:12 also says that no man has seen God, however it was also corrected in the JSV:

      “ No man hath seen God at any time, except them who believe. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. “

      The Old Testament informs us that man has seen God: Genesis 18:1; 32:30; Exodus 33:11; Isaiah 6:1

      The Morley Farm was not really a random event. There were three high priests that saw the Father and the Son, not just one.

      Also, the testimony of Joseph and Sidney in Section 76 also has the Father and the Son both being seen.

      Here is the testimony in Section 76:

      18 Now this caused us to marvel, for it was given unto us of the Spirit.
      19 And while we meditated upon these things, the Lord touched the eyes of our understandings and they were opened, and the glory of the Lord shone round about.
      20 And we beheld the glory of the Son, on the right hand of the Father, and received of his fulness;
      21 And saw the holy angels, and them who are sanctified before his throne, worshiping God, and the Lamb, who worship him forever and ever.
      22 And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!

      Section 67 provides additional clarification about seeing the Father: D&C 67:11 “For no man has seen God at any time in the flesh, except quickened by the Spirit of God.”

      That is consistent with the account in Section 76 and also the following account in the book of Moses:

      Moses 1:11 “But now mine own eyes have beheld God; but not my natural, but my spiritual eyes, for my natural eyes could not have beheld; for I should have withered and died in his presence; but his glory was upon me; and I beheld his face, for I was transfigured before him.”

      It appears as if the Father can appear in the form of his Son in whom the Father dwells, or the Father can appear as a personage of glory as he did at the Morley Farm, Section 76 and even in the School of the Prophets.

      Thank you for visiting our podcast and for asking a thoughtful question.


  2. Good point on the 1844 edition.

    I completely agree about the revelation point for removal, it’s so bogus.

    I agree I see what Lectures on Faith teach all over the BoM and the Bible when once really understood.